The Cheese and the Worms is an incisive study of popular culture in the sixteenth Carlo Ginzburg uses the trial records to illustrate the religious and social. The Cheese and the Worms: the Cosmos of a 16th-Century Miller by Carlo Ginzburg, translated by John Tedeschi and Anne Tedeschi. The Cheese and the Worms has ratings and reviews. Jan-Maat Carlo Ginzburg uses the trial records of Domenico Scandella, a miller also known as.
|Published (Last):||20 June 2014|
|PDF File Size:||7.46 Mb|
|ePub File Size:||6.4 Mb|
|Price:||Free* [*Free Regsitration Required]|
Goodreads helps you keep track of books you want to read. Want to Read saving…. Want to Read Currently Reading Chfese. Refresh and try again. Open Preview See a Problem? Thanks for telling us about the problem. Return to Book Page. The Cheese and the Worms: The Cheese and the Worms is a cheede of the popular culture in the sixteenth century as seen through the eyes of one man, a miller brought to trial during the Inquisition.
Carlo Ginzburg uses the trial records of Domenico Scandella, a miller also known as Menocchio, to show how one person responded to the confusing political and religious conditions of his time.
For gimzburg common The Cheese and the Worms is a study of the popular culture in the sixteenth century as seen through the eyes of one man, a miller brought to trial during the Inquisition. For a common miller, Menocchio was surprisingly literate. In his trial testimony he made references to more than a dozen books, including the Bible, Boccaccio’s Decameron, Mandeville’s Travels, and a “mysterious” book that may have been the Koran.
And what he read he recast binzburg terms familiar to him, as in ginzbrg own version of the creation: Paperbackpages. To see what your friends thought of this book, please sign up. To ask other readers questions about The Cheese and the Wormsplease sign up.
See te question about The Cheese and the Worms…. Lists with This Book. Fantastic study based on trial records of a sixteenth century Italian miller charged with heresy. The book offers a glimpse into an alternative and generally unheard from world-view that is full of so much imagination on the part of the miller that it should put many a fiction writer to shame.
That really is its strength and virtue, to be a reminder that the masses of people that now we label as Lutheran, Catholic or Anabaptist were a mess of individuals.
While the beliefs of the hierarchies ca Fantastic study based on trial records of a sixteenth century Italian miller charged with heresy. While the beliefs of the hierarchies can be listed and referenced to published works the actual beliefs of their followers remain unknown unless they happened to run carol of the heresy courts in one jurisdiction or another, even then the inquisitor might be looking to squeeze them into some known category of schismatic or other.
Here by contrast are an individuals beliefs. Messy, uninfluential but individual.
The Cheese and the Worms – Wikipedia
They offer as much of a clue as what people actually believed as the writings of a Luther or Zwingli and an insight with its images of mouldy cheese and God as master builder with sub-contracted angels creating the world into just how divergent the reception of ideas could be.
Quindi abbandonate il grembiule e mettetevi comodi. Jul 25, Karen rated it really liked it. Ginzberg used the story of Menocchio, a sixteenth century miller who was twice prosecuted and ultimately condemned by the inquisition for holding and preaching egregiously heretical beliefs.
Ginzberg uses his story to attempt to reveal what ideas were floating around in the general peasant population concerning the reformation and Catholic and protestant doctrine.
The tale Ginzberg weaves has tantalizing possibilities, but it suffers from two general flaws. The most grave of which is that he clearly had too much information for a concise paper, but far too little evidence for a satisfying monograph. Furthermore, making 62 chapters out of pages seems to be little more than the classic and transparent undergraduate technique to fill space.
In his defense, the lack of pages comes not from a lack of research, but from a limited information pool — it seems that too many documents have been lost to time. Ginzberg also patents what has become the downfall of microhistories by writing up to chapter 61 on just Menocchio, and then in the next to last chapter attempting to explain unconvincingly how this single man illustrates a sampling of the greater picture.
When Ginzberg found himself in this said predicament, his resolution was to grasp at straws and attempt to make broad claims for which his work did not lay the proper foundation to support. That said, as the first in its field, and as a highly intriguing study about a most interesting man, the work merits reading and re-reading — once for content and a second for technique. Jun 29, Nick rated it really liked it.
The Cheese and the Worms
We should not let the long tradition of smearing practicing Catholics as the brainwashed servants ahd a threatening foreign power—in which sensationalist and hyperbolic depictions of the Roman Inquisition play a part—from identifying the Wrms Church of the late sixteenth century for what it was: No justification can or should be sought for torture, for the woms of Menocchio and countless others on the ropes of We should not let the long tradition of smearing practicing Catholics as the brainwashed servants of a threatening foreign power—in which sensationalist and hyperbolic depictions of the Roman Inquisition play a part—from identifying the Catholic Church of the late sixteenth century for what it was: The human scream cuts readily through such objections.
The transcript of Menocchio’s agonies reads: The Inquisition targeted Menocchio not for arbitrary or merely punitive purposes, but because they rightly ascertained the very real threat he posed to Catholic hegemony in the hills of Friuli.
More precisely, Ginzburg claims that by examining the way Menocchio, a man of the oral culture, interprets or in some cases willfully misreads the books he encounters representatives of the print culturewe tbe thereby discern certain qualities of the oral culture; or may do so, at least, to the degree that the oral culture is extricable from that of print, and to the degree that separate spheres of culture may be defined along certain media.
Ginzburg makes this case compellingly. Even so, the coincidence itself is striking, especially in light of ginaburg more concrete evidence Ginzburg provides in his reading of the Inquisitional record.
They are living documents, in that nad present a theology that evolves before our eyes, in response to the attacks of his interrogator. This distinction is not found in the trial records of or the first half of those frombut under the pressure of the inquisitor, Menocchio begins splitting this particular hair.
The question is whether there was a real risk that they would be, and cbeese the evidence is twofold. These ideas and convictions, or at least the soil in which they grow, come from the oral culture.
The implication of this statement—and the cascade of vitriol that follows it—is that the peasantry are more susceptible to spiritual seduction than the elite, who are armed with their educations.
This emphasis, in contrast to the localization and syncretism of late medieval Christianity, was implicitly a validation of Protestant criticisms of the Church—that it practiced sloppy sacerdotalism rather than properly educating its members, or for that matter its clergy—and was an attempt to rectify these faults. This was done for reasons both moral the genuine desire for spiritual improvement and political the gunzburg of Protestantismand there is often much overlap between these categories.
The renewed vigor, and consequent cruelty, of the Church during the Counter-Reformation meant that, barring overly literal counter-factuals i. Few of us have the courage or quixotic folly to stare up at an inquisitor asking us to explain ourselves and respond: This is an insightful book for all of us who assume European peasants were illiterate, uneducated, non-thinking folk.
Our hte, the miller Menocchio, could read and write, owned a few books, borrowed a few more, had read the Decameron and dipped into wors Koran, and combined the ideas he got from books with the oral carol of 16th century rural Friuli to form his own slightly odd, very creative, para-Catholic religious notions. His discussions of these notions with others brought him to the at This is an insightful book for all of us who assume European peasants were illiterate, uneducated, non-thinking folk.
His discussions of these notions with others brought him to the attention of the local inquisition, which questioned him and decided he wasn’t just a heretic, but a badass heresiarch. He was influencing others, and needed to be imprisoned and forever wear a penitential garment.
The Cheese and the Worms: The Cosmos of a Sixteenth-Century Miller
After a few years he was released from prison, but he couldn’t stop talking, and ultimately the cardinal and pope put their red slippers ginzburb and insisted he be burned at the stake, pronto. The reason this book gets assigned in history courses is because of its historiographic interest, the overlap between social history and the history of ideas. Jan 06, Jen rated it liked it.
It’s made a huge splash in The Study of Old Things, though, so I’m not surprised it finally showed up in a class of mine on the reading list. So, the gist of the story and it really does read like a story, which is kind of neat is Ginzburg following the trials by the inquisition no, not the one you didn’t expect, another one of a miller for being, well, batshit crazy about his theology.
The title comes from this miller’s idea of the beginning of the universe; that it kind of curdled, like cheese, into being, and the angels came out of it like worms. Carll a lot of the other ideas of the miller Domenico Scandella, a. Menocchio are also odd, and they eventually got him burnt. Omg spoiler alert, I know.
What Ginzburg is doing and, binzburg, his translators, the Tedeschis is taking the handful of sources we have that document Menocchio’s trials and filling in the blanks to create a coherent story. It’s microcosm history, and it’s hard to categorize because Ginzburg is taking a lot of liberties in saying what people were thinking and feeling when all we have is what they said. So it’s not straight-up history, but then it’s not fiction, either, because we really do have all of these documents left behind evidenced in the endnotes, which you can skip reading and still understand what’s going on–he wrote it that way, actually, and has no numbers anywhere, which took some getting used to.
What comes out of this is an interesting story about a crazy miller who didn’t know when owrms shut up, so I recommend it for that. The historian in me just can’t quite handle the leaps Ginzburg makes from the available evidence, though, so I’m really unsure if I ahd hang on to it. Jan 18, Elizabeth rated it liked it Shelves: This book is so hyped in academic circles, that it was perhaps setting itself up as a disappointment before I even cracked it open.
I’m sure for the right type of history major that is, one that’s interested in actual events in history rather than their theoretical importance this is a revelation. For me, it was more boring than I care to admit. I couldn’t care about the miller Menocchio anymore than I care about any other random individual on yinzburg street. Sure, he cbeese uncommonly literate, and This book is so hyped in academic circles, that it was perhaps setting itself up as a disappointment before I even cracked it open.
Sure, he was uncommonly literate, and yes it was somewhat interesting to see how his reading manifested itself into his belief system thus justifying fears that when peasants get a hold of books they are going to come to their own conclusions regarding their contents, rather than those the clergy so dogmatically thrust gknzburg them.
However, Ginzburg is careful to not blame books entirely for Annd heresy. He explains though it sometimes seems like he’s doing little woms than speculating how traditions of oral culture combined with the burgeoning literary culture to produce Menocchio’s beliefs.
In any case, I wanted more theory and less story. Especially since this book is continually praised as an example of how you can tell an important tale without more than a close analysis of a single person’s life thus triumphs the qualitative researcher! Ginzburg talks a bit about this in the preface, and has some interesting and reasoned insights — he never claims Menocchio’s story is representative, merely that it represents cheese we haven’t heard before.
I’m certain this is true; I only wish the new story were more compelling. Apr 22, Rana rated it did not like it Recommends it for: View all 3 comments. This is a microhistory of a sixteenth century Italian miller, whose heretical beliefs brought ginzgurg to the attention of the Inquisition. Ginzburg uses the records of his trial to examine his personal theology and thd, and to examine to what extent we can recover a pre-modern rhe culture.
I gjnzburg appreciated how Ginzburg’s critical awareness of the sources contrasted with Menocchio’s own sometimes wilful misreadings of the texts he came into contact with. I’m still not sure about his conclusions in as much as they are predicated on the suitability of Menocchio, a single and rather eccentric man, as a means of investigating Friuli peasantry as chwese whole.
I’m undecided, but I’ll be thinking about this ginzbugg for a while. Jun 12, Alex rated it it was amazing. Replace the theology department with ‘Cheese and Worms’ studies.
Fasulo ha cominciato il suo racconto citando un articolo di The New Yorkerquesto in cui l’autore citava proprio il Menocchio per il fatto che era finito sul rogo a causa delle sue credenze religiose. Deve per forza avere qualcosa di speciale!